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Offline kemp

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Re: Mexico Decriminalizes Personal Possession!!
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2009, 01:00:17 AM »
This is good and bad. Simple possession of very small amounts means, one won't go to jail or be charged with a crime. But, read this -

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Under Mexico's new law, decriminalization only applies to personal use in the strictest sense.  The law provides stiff penalties for those who "supply (even for free)" other people with drugs, even if the "supplied" amount falls within the allowable amounts.  Someone who "supplies (even for free)" someone with up to one thousand times the allowable amount of drugs is subject to 4-8 years in prison and a fine.  As El Sendero del Peje's Moncada points out, a person who is in possession of a single joint (under 5 grams) of marijuana can't be thrown in jail thanks to the new law.  But if that person passes that joint to another person to take a hit, that can be considered supplying the second person with drugs, and the person who passed the marijuana cigarette will be subject to 4-8 years in prison and a fine.  That loophole means this aspect of Mexico's new drug sentencing rules are far more severe than any found in the United States: in Mexico the federal minimum for smoking a joint and passing it to another person is four years in prison.  If the person on the receiving end of the joint (or any other drug, for that matter) is a juvenile, the sentence is raised to 7-15 years in prison.
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Re: Mexico Decriminalizes Personal Possession!!
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2009, 10:36:08 AM »
I don't think this move will make for more draconian measures in Mexico against "suppliers" who pass a joint to another person.

I also doubt the punishment for selling drugs has increased post-decrim.

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Re: Mexico Decriminalizes Personal Possession!!
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2009, 05:23:36 PM »
I saw this posted on DRC net a few days ago, and it got me wondering.... It mentioned that small amounts (5 grms pot-1/5 gr coke-.035 grams LSD) would be considered exempt as a personal possession amount.  Soooooo, where's a math wizard when 'ya need 'em....  Just how many doses of Hoffmans delight does that equate to????  Am I correct that this would mean three or four 'hits'????      Addendum:  Our friends at the DEA have just issued a statement of intent to have 5-MEO DMT added to the schedule 1 drug list.  Anyone wishing to send letter of protest has until the 21st of Sep to enter their objection to such a ruling....
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Re: Mexico Decriminalizes Personal Possession!!
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2009, 08:31:25 AM »
Quote from: "senorsalvia"
Addendum: Our friends at the DEA have just issued a statement of intent to have 5-MEO DMT added to the schedule 1 drug list.  Anyone wishing to send letter of protest has until the 21st of Sep to enter their objection to such a ruling....

Thanks for the information. Do you have a link?

In a bizarre way this could be considered not so bad news (sorry to be a Pollyanna!) in that I wonder if this means our DEA friends don't think the analog laws are particularly effective in a legal sense. One could assume (and the evidence of "Operation Pipe Dream" confirms, if I remember correctly) that the DEA would have already considered it Schedule 1.

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Re: Mexico Decriminalizes Personal Possession!!
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2009, 09:14:50 AM »
By the way, I found the official link.

Comment if you want, but it's a done deal.

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Re: Mexico Decriminalizes Personal Possession!!
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2009, 10:25:06 AM »
Reading through that hodgepodge of scheduling info,  I could not help but note that The Feds state that if a person feels unjustly "aggieved" by the proposed placement of 5-meo; he or she is welcome to submit a written protest :wink: ---  Years ago; I had oppurtunity to give 17-20mg of 5-meo a trial toke:  (report at Erowid)..  I did not care for it, although it certainly was potent!!!  Still and all, senor is tuly "aggieved" in priciple :lol:  :lol:
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Re: Mexico Decriminalizes Personal Possession!!
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2009, 01:06:37 PM »
I will break ranks here, perhaps, and opine that submitting comment is an exercise in futility.

The fact of the matter is that the scheduling criteria are not only interpreted by the DEA: they are defined by them. The deck is stacked.

If we look at how 5-Meo-DMT stacks up against their criteria:

No known medical use

This one is pretty much a no-brainer. 5-Meo-DMT is not patentable and is already legally problematic, so of course no real clinical studies have been carried out on it, so it follows that of course no known medical use is know.

This is complicated by the fact that 5-Meo-DMT's effects (as a hallucinogen) are defined as abuse.  The government, structurally, dose not accept that a psychedelic can be "used." If it is taken, it is an abuse. The term "dangerous hallucinogen" is redundant in the vocabulary of the government regulators, for the hallucinogenic effects are defined as dangerous in and of themselves.

High potential for abuse

First, all use is abuse (see above). What's more, if you look at the paperwork submitted, the data they have gathered demonstrates abuse in their mind. A reasonable person could claim that the numbers are small (when compared to other substances). A reasonable person could also point to the lack of emergency room data to show that no widespread abuse is taking place. But this would be a failed attempt, because all of this is only demonstrating (to a reasonable person) that abuse isn't taking place.  It doesn't negate the potential for abuse, and given a) they can show that it is being used, and b) all use is defined as abuse, they have proven a "potential" for abuse, ipso facto.

Lack of accepted safety for using the drug under medical supervision

This is just a restatement of "no know medical use." If no studies are carried out (and won't, because there is limited potential profit and legal complications), there can be no accepted standards.

The fact that they're wrong on all three counts is of little consequence, because they write the rules and enforce them.

In a sane world:

Medical use: Psychedelics have been shown to have medical and therapeutic uses, so 5-Meo-DMT, as a member of that class would be granted access to a class with provisional use. What's more, valid uses would not be confined to medical use only.

Abuse: A non-issue. It isn't used much, has a relatively safe toxicology profile, and if use wasn't defined as abuse, it would not meet this criteria.  

Accepted safety standards: In a sane world these would be relatively easy to establish.

But all of this matters naught, for we don't live in a sane world.

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Re: Mexico Decriminalizes Personal Possession!!
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2009, 10:17:21 AM »
Yep, I do agree that registering opposition to scheduling is an exercise in futility..  That said, I can not help but wonder if there won't be those , of say, the Santo Daime American Branch or others practicing ther ritual usage,  that will point out that their sacrament happens to contain minute quantities of 5-meo, and that they have already gained federal protection under RRFA....  A technical point to be sure, but possibly a small vioce calling for a slowing of the reckless slide down the proverbial slippery slope....
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Re: Mexico Decriminalizes Personal Possession!!
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2009, 08:40:20 AM »
I don't think this is the case. The Santo Daime and UdV both use chacruna in the preparation of their sacraments, and I believe that plant to be free of 5-Meo-DMT. Chaliponga has trace amounts and is used occasionally in traditional and mestizo curandismo, but it is not used by these syncretic groups.  

I could be wrong about the profile of chacruna. My memory tells me it is 5-Meo-DMT free, but I haven't looked at the literature recently.

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Re: Mexico Decriminalizes Personal Possession!!
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2009, 09:37:02 PM »
I've never seen a chem analysis of Pv that included 5meo.
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Re: Mexico Decriminalizes Personal Possession!!
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2010, 04:39:39 PM »
Way to go Mexico!

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Re: Mexico Decriminalizes Personal Possession!!
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2011, 04:48:13 PM »
I think that would lower their crime rate if it were legal.