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Offline Syd

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2009, 05:46:02 AM »
I'm in agreement with Liquis' ideas as well as Cassie's suggestion of Cenacle having last say for now. So my vote goes to...
'Radio: [current track] | Listen: http://yage.net:9000/listen.pls | Web: http://spfradio.yage.net'

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2009, 07:24:53 AM »
I keep an open nick in chat pretty much 24/7, the bot's radio announcements arent that bothersome, and like was said before its going to highlight your tab no matter what it is. If the announcements are bothersome one can always set your preferences to ignore the bot. I will say some of the other things it says, like answers to 'hello' and 'hi' are a bit silly, and its 42 not 44 damnit. I vote the current announcement syntax is fine, but shortening it while still preserving all the info is fine too.

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2009, 09:38:43 AM »
I'm sure whatever I think will be construed into my hate for all things bot...but I'm with Lucious, that bot is psychotic whenever someone says 'hi'.

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2009, 02:27:13 PM »
Well, I am confused now... I told you guys that you all can program the bot to say, or not say, almost whatever you want.
Let me explain again. There are two separate things going on.... the radio announce is totally separate from everything else it says.

When you say hi, or hello, these are part of "Infobloot", the irc bot. It can say lots of things, all are programmable. If you don't like what it says, change it. Or even turn it off. IOpan and Cennacle are the bot masters for this function of the bot, though I can change that if needed. So nobody has to actually Google it, here is a link to a text file with the basic commands - http://http://turl.ca/bgzxeo
Then, there is the radio announce. This is a completely separate entity, though right now I have them using the same nick or body since someone else complained that we have too many bots. This part of the bot is NOT programmable, only I can change what it announces because I couldn't find a bot that would do what we needed, so I wrote it myself. This is what we are discussing now....

As for my say on the announce of the radio... I think it is fine with the short or long. Anyone can choose to ignore if it really bothers them. On my monitor, it is only one line of text.

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advertising, takes up precious channel real estate
Precious real estate? The chat text disappears soon after someone says something.... and people often when bored, say random shit and flood the channel for the hell of it. I just don't' see how a line or 2 of text is "taking up precious real estate". Yes, we could adjust the announce if it is saying unnecessary stuff and we can change the frequency if needed. Right now though, I don't see the problem. I will attempt to see if I can program the thing to not announce as often if there is very little chatting going on.... but I am afraid of putting too much effort into this only to have someone tear it to pieces later because it is not to their liking.

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2009, 05:24:40 PM »
Precious realestate refers to the idea that you do not need to have two lines of text in the room when all the information can be expressed into one line.  Call it what you like, efficiency, lack of annoyance, etc.  I think most people should be able to comprehend the general gist of the argument here.

I am a supporter of pure information.  If additional "unnecessary" information is to be provided, I think it should be more welcoming and fun, and less advertisey.

The point of my original post was to break down the radio announcement to the *absolute essentials* ... and go from there.  Someday we might even want to add more functionality to the announcement.

The goal here and my main reason for replying to this is to keep the announcement under one line.

Cenacle your revised version is getting there, but unfortunately is still two lines.  What can be removed and still preserve the functionality?

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2009, 07:03:49 PM »
Ah, I had thought you mentioned something about it being programable, but guess i missed the rest of just how. Cool.

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2009, 12:57:52 AM »
Are we ready for a decision on this question? We've been discussing it pretty thoroughly.

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2009, 03:03:06 PM »
If nobody objects, I'm going to put up a poll with the possible bot texts discussed so far. I think it would be great to have this decision made in time for the upcoming weekend of new SPF original programs.

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2009, 04:17:41 PM »
Go for it, Cenny.... I guess I would just try to be fair about what you put up for selections though... I mean to actually vote, we need realistic candidates. Here is the one I would suggest as a compromise -

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Now on SpiritPlants Radio:  %current_title%  | To listen: http://spfradio.yage.net | Turn on . . . Tune in!That is actually what is announcing now, in chat. Now that %current_title% includes the artist and the song title and sometimes more info like the date. I don't think it should contain any more than that though, unless we want to maybe include the current DJ. But at some point we do have to agree that there is a limit. There is such thing as too much info at once.

As a side note, Liquis, you have asked that the announce be only one line of text. This is pretty much impossible since the Artist and title changes drastically from one song or artist to the next. After watching and adjusting the announce the last couple weeks, this has become apparent. It will also matter what size resolution you are viewing the chat in and what IRC client for that matter. So, my point is, we should just agree on the content and not worry if it stretches over one line as, sometimes it will be one line and sometimes it will be more.

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2009, 04:52:38 PM »
I saw your adjustments, Kemp, to how it is now, and it is good. Seems like the kind of compromise we were working on. Hopefully others can agree too.

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2009, 07:35:06 AM »
I think the current DJ should be added. I know we are not the only ones listening but we are in #spiritplants and it is our chat room, the 'spiritplants radio' should be replaced with the current DJ. Its hella obvious even to outsiders whose radio it is, when inside the room.

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2009, 11:19:55 AM »
Syd, while I would like to see the DJ's name there somewhere, we need something that makes sense. If you take the line I made above, and just replace spiritplants radio with the DJ, it doesn't. Post exactly what you think would be a good announce, and use %current_title% or something to signify the song title.
I am guessing you are saying something like this -  
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%current_dj% %current_title%  | To listen: http://spfradio.yage.net | Turn on . . . Tune in!Also, the way the bot works is, it grabs the title from Winamp and simply removes any extra information that's not needed and posts that to the irc client. So, the only way to get the DJ information would be if the DJ's name is somewhere in the metadata.

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Its hella obvious even to outsiders whose radio it is, when inside the room.
Is it? If someone shows up and only hangs out for a few hours, can they tell that announcement from any other "now playing" irc script, if it doesn't say Spiritplants Radio somewhere? Hell, some people don't even know we have a forum, even when it should be incredibly obvious..... we talk about it often, post links to it, in the Topic. One person even said recently, "what is SPF?". All obvious stuff to us but then we been around for... a little while :smoke2:

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2009, 01:00:08 PM »
I agree that the bot should say:

1- " Now playing on SpiritPlants Radio"
2 - DJ name and the show/song title
3 - http://spfradio.yage.net
4 - "turn on. tune in." moniker

These are the basic pieces that a chat regular or chat newbie needs to be given to understand what the bot is talking about.

On the radio page, the chat is linked, which invites new people to the chat. There is also a link to this radio forum. As I see it, the radio and the chat and the forums should be connected like this, to build up SpiritPlants as a multi-part community.

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2009, 02:03:29 PM »
I still think we could shorten that first one to just say - Now on Spiritplants Radio
Remove the "playing"

And nobody is arguing that the chat, radio and forum should be separate from each other, the only thing we need to get resolved here is what the bot says, and maybe how often it says it. The radio is well represented in the chat... some think too much. Occasionally, at night, you can see some get annoyed that it keeps announcing when nobody is even chatting and so we get a page filled up with just the bot talking. I think this is why people are looking for a minimal approach to the announce.

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Re: Chat Needs a Radio Bot
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2009, 03:26:09 PM »
If the bot comes up every half hour, that is sufficient. It is there to serve a purpose, so a regular notification is needed. If nobody is chatting, how is anyone there to notice that that bot is coming on every half hour?

I wasn't indicating an argument about the chat/radio/forums relationship, only that the bot is one way to do this, and the radio page's links is another, and the chat/radio links here at the forum are the third. Each points to the other two. I think it's cool, these simple link pointers.

We have built more of a varied community that many others online. How many sites have a forums, a chat room, and a radio station, all up and functioning? We deserve a pat on the back for doing all this hard work. And an extra one to Kemp for driving more traffic here in recent months. I bet a lot of people are impressed by what we have created :)