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Title: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: EnergyGem on December 31, 2016, 03:22:46 AM
Hi all,

New member here. : )

I've come across a fascinating book that talks about high level spiritual things from a scientific perspective. This book is intriguing as it talks about many similar things to what people in mystical states mention such as seeing into parallel dimensions and interacting with beings from other worlds etc.

This book is called Zhuan Falun and it is from the Buddha Law School of Cultivation however it is not Buddhism the religion or Daoism the religion, it's something more profound. It seems to me to be more of a spiritual science as many of the terms and concepts in the book are talked about in a scientific down to earth manner instead of flowery mystical prose which I found very refreshing.

Now here is where it gets interesting, this book talks about the following things:


* Other Dimensions - Levels Of Dimensions spanning into the microcosm and also outwards into the macrocosm

* The Soul - It talks about people having a Master soul and a subordinate soul which is hidden from you but is at a more advanced level then you, it states some people have more then one Subordinate soul and some are of not of the same sex as you i.e males having a female subordinate soul etc.

* Microcosmic worlds - This concept was very far out but it talks about there being worlds within you, countless worlds. Similar to our world with life , water, animals etc. An analogy is zooming an an atom within one of your cells and realizing at that level of magnification it is just like our solar system. Then zooming into a single particle in that world and finding out it too is a vast world, apparently the level it can go onwards like this is beyond imagination.

* Supernatural Abilities - In the book they mention that everyone has them it is just that they have atrophied. It goes into depth about this topic. Some abilities that are mentioned are precognition, retrocognition and remote vision.

* The 3rd Eye - Talks about how at the front part of our pineal gland there is a complete structure of an eye there. Modern science calls it a vestigial eye but in the cultivation world they say this eye just naturally exists like that and it can be activated allowing one to pierce through this dimension and see other dimensions. It talks about how there are many levels to this 3rd eye and it goes into great depth about it.

* Thoughts - This part was amazing. It talks about how a human brain is just a processing plant. How the real you is actually your soul, it's like your whole body and brain is just a vehicle and that the true commands are issued by your master soul, but this master soul is very tiny and it can switch positions while inside you and it can also expand and shrink. It can move from your brain to your heart and to other parts of your body and it is 'he' who calls the shots. Your brain is just the factory which your master soul sends his cosmic commands to which then create the forms of expression and communication we use such as speech, gestures, etc.



These are just a few things that are covered but there are many many other things which blew my mind when I read it because of how it resonated with some of the mystical experiences people sometimes have, especially the multidimensional nature of reality and how all of them are hidden in our day to day perceptions of the world.

If this sounds interesting to anyone you can grab a copy of the book here:

http://en.falundafa.org/eng/pdf/ZFL2014.pdf (http://en.falundafa.org/eng/pdf/ZFL2014.pdf)
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: judih on December 31, 2016, 10:09:10 PM
Hi. Welcome and thanks for all this food for thought. Keep us posted on how it's all manifesting in your brain, in your digestion of the ideas. (if you feel like sharing, of course)
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: EnergyGem on January 02, 2017, 02:22:07 AM
Hi. Welcome and thanks for all this food for thought. Keep us posted on how it's all manifesting in your brain, in your digestion of the ideas. (if you feel like sharing, of course)


You're welcome Judih, I hope you find it of interest, I personally found it a very enlightening read.


After reading this book it has really made me understand that there is so much more to a human being that what our current scientific paradigm currently realizes or understands. We are so much more then we think we are. : )
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: judih on January 02, 2017, 09:54:09 PM
while being amazed, i need to teach 7th grade students to get ready 'for the test'. How to balance being filled with wonder and walking the line. A constant challenge!
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: Stonehenge on January 03, 2017, 08:18:44 PM
Very interesting post, EG. I hope you write more in the future.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: EnergyGem on January 04, 2017, 02:51:36 AM
while being amazed, i need to teach 7th grade students to get ready 'for the test'. How to balance being filled with wonder and walking the line. A constant challenge!


Yes it is a challenge to have a foot in both worlds at times. If you read Zhuan Falun they talk about how one can cultivate in this world while still leading a normal family and work life. That's because it this system cultivates a 'Law Wheel' at the persons lower abdomen which cuts down on how long one needs to perform the Qi Gong exercises. One is constantly being purified and energized even when the exercises are not being done.




Glad you found it of interest Stonehenge and I am happy to have shared it with the community.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: judih on January 04, 2017, 10:47:28 PM
You're speaking of the dan tien. Fascinating. Doing chi cong while not doing it. (This gets better and better)
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: Stonehenge on January 06, 2017, 04:16:08 PM
Do you mean viet cong? Lol

I do tai chi, its a moving meditation and you use that energy center to focus on. It is a center of power of a certain type. Each center has a different power to use.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: judih on January 06, 2017, 11:25:27 PM
in our weekly t'ai chi sessions we do chi cong after warm-up. Then on to the 88 form t'ai chi cutta. The energy flow is remarkable.
If there's limited time for body preparation, chi cong is my choice.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: Stonehenge on January 07, 2017, 12:40:23 PM
Here we call it chi gong, I was joking with you, the viet cong were guerrillas in the vietnam war. The words are different many places, for example chi = ji = qi etc. I've done tai chi everyday for about 24 years and started well before that. Last time I was in a tai chi class the instructor was surprised at my techniques. I guess this is bragging but it is just the power of the chi and correct technique. You can hold your hand out in front of you and easily deflect a powerful punch. It looks like your hand is weak but they get pushed to the side. Also with punches, thrown from what looks like a weak position they have lots of power. The instructor was a 2nd degree black belt in karate and had studied tai chi for about 8 years. He did not offer to spar with me after that, lol. Not that I would hurt anyone. But now in my old age I know to keep out of situations rather than rely on my fading body. I always did try to keep out of trouble. Your class is probably much different, most do not emphasize the martial aspect but that is where it came from.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: judih on January 07, 2017, 11:08:27 PM
Doron, our wonderful teacher, shows the application in a combat situation, but that's in order to give us context for the hand, body positions.
Also, many of the students started out with kung fu, and they have no problem connecting the moves to martial situations.


Me? I hold the sword like the wooden replica it is, not like a weapon. The fan? A wonderful item that rips through the air with its noise. Hardly something to slice an opponent.


As I get older, balance is the thing I work on the most. The transfer of weight from one side to the other.


(Stoney, I know you were joking with viet cong).
So, everyday t'ai chi. That's exactly how it should be done. Which form do you practice?

Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: Stonehenge on January 09, 2017, 06:22:14 PM
Its yang style but there are tons of various yang styles. Its good that your class has some grounding in martial arts. I found that relaxation brings power. When you do a technique like a punch and you are tight, the punch may seem good but its relatively weak. If you are loose and remain relaxed through it, it feels like you didn't put much into it but it makes the bag or person holding a pad go backward while the tight over muscled punch did not do as much.

The same energy, chi or whatever you want to call it, can be used for healing. You can give yourself or others a healing by commanding the chi to flow through your hands. But again you must be relaxed, if you try to push it, you get less or none. You focus and see it in your mind flowing. Doing your tai chi practice helps if you do it right before.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: judih on January 09, 2017, 10:24:41 PM
healing!
i meditate before giving reiki, but i've never done t'ai chi before offering it. What a logical and brilliant suggestion.
Thanks, Stoney
This thread is truly a gift.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: Stonehenge on January 12, 2017, 05:56:50 PM
A good exercise is to imagine beams of light coming from your hands when you move or even water like from a fire hose. By seeing it in your mind you cause it to happen. Visualizing is a powerful tool. In one class they said move like you were painting with your hands. Or just think of goodness coming out, even if you are doing a punch, lol.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: judih on January 12, 2017, 11:24:44 PM
I'll try. I tend to feel the containment of energy, air around me like water. Interesting what this new visualization will bring!
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: Stonehenge on January 13, 2017, 07:47:19 PM
Technique is very important. For the chi to flow first the body must be loose and relaxed. The waist must turn or move with the other movements. Just moving the hands is not correct form.

The chakra called the dantien, or many other names, is the center of physical power. The other 6 centers work on other types of energy but the one near the navel is related to the physical, from what I have learned. Its also the center of gravity for most people. When ever you do a movement imagine a flow through that area. By physical power I mean it affects the physical plane.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: judih on January 13, 2017, 10:27:45 PM
This is what I love about the way our teacher conducts our classes. Warm-up, then chi cong (lately we do the Wild Goose cutta). Chi flows, dan tien is back to prime, then t'ai chi. The energy is present, no need for visualization, but rather to stay in the moment with the body and mind and allow the experience to unfold.

Time slows down as weight shifts. I don't really have words.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: Stonehenge on January 15, 2017, 06:23:15 PM
Yes, being in the present moment is very important, possibly the most important thing. You aren't truly meditating if you are thinking about chores or what might happen tomorrow. Its hard to keep focused but it can be done.

Visualization is a tool, nothing more. It can be a powerful tool. Just for example, thinking of beams of light coming from the top of your head, hands or whatever. Visualizing your body and breath as being totally relaxed. There are many uses.

Its used in magic too, you can bring about changes in your life by visualizing them. Its not tai chi but its in an undefined category. Visualizing healing energy from your hands makes it work well. Not saying its the only way, but it works for many.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: judih on January 15, 2017, 11:56:15 PM
mr s. henge
you are an interesting man!
again, thanks to our illustrious new member EnergyGem for the thread
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: EnergyGem on January 16, 2017, 01:53:44 AM
You're most welcome Judih, happy to have shared this with you and the community.  :)
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: Stonehenge on January 21, 2017, 12:42:44 PM
Just to continue an interesting discussion, I will share a few things that work for me. To keep in the moment I might focus on sounds around me. There are always sounds, if nothing else then the ones in my head. Tinitis can be a tool though I ignore it most of the time. Or just look at something and focus on it rather than thinking "its pretty, ugly, looks like something else..." Just soak it in. Focus on movement, on your breath, on a chant.

I think the goal is to be in the moment most of the time. We still have to plan ahead, learn from the past and so on. But being constantly preoccupied with those things is what degrades the quality of life. You can't appreciate what is going on around you when you are doing an inner dialogue or thinking about something else. The thoughts and dialogues come up constantly, I try to gently bring myself back to the moment when I notice it. Little by little I get more in the moment.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: Wakinyan on August 29, 2017, 10:16:12 PM
I started out vision questing myself. Spending 4 days alone without food, water, or sleep. I did that once a year for several years and it appealed to me as there was no dogma in those 4 days. I could just be alone with nature and myself. To say it was easy would be an understatement. It was a literal hell at times. I then moved on to sundancing, being a yuwipi singer, etc. I studied a very little bit via a workshop that Mantak Chia gave on the Tao some aspects of that kind of remind me of what the two of you are getting at. The Dark Room Tao retreat is supposed to stimulate your brain to produce DMT in sufficient levels to cause you to vision. I never went to one of those retreats however as the vision quest seemed to produce visions just fine. Never mind the yuwipi ceremony where it would rain and sometimes lightning in the room one was in. Watching as the spirits marched into the room pounding on the floor. Balls of light floating around... and all that is without pejuta. Now, add in the peyote and things really start to get interesting.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: Stonehenge on August 31, 2017, 09:35:15 PM
I could go 4 days without food, maybe without sleep but not without water.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: judih on August 31, 2017, 10:08:44 PM
no food, understood. No water, unknown territory. No sleep? I'd have to see. Visions? I believe it!
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: Wakinyan on September 02, 2017, 07:04:20 AM
I understand your sentiments Stonehenge and Judith. You base what you think you can do based on what you have done often times. We are all capable of a lot more than we think we are capable of. A vision quest takes time and preparation. One does not generally just say, "Hey, lets go do a vision quest." The minimal preparation is usually a year during which time one does many inipi/sweat lodge ceremonies at the very least. I have no doubt that either one of you could not make it on a traditional vision quest if you prepared in this manner. It is all about baby steps. That and a genuine desire to do something that is overriding the desire to give up and quit. That desire has to be very strong or your not going to make it. The desire to have an ice-cream becomes incredibly strong after 24 hours of not having any food. Your desire to have this experience must override all those other desires for food, water, sleep, or even sitting until those desires turn off for a time.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: judih on September 03, 2017, 10:50:27 PM
Wakinyan, i hear you. When intention overrides fear of the unknown, i enter the realm of totally new experience.
Title: Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Post by: Wakinyan on September 04, 2017, 08:28:00 PM
Judith, exactly and very well put.