Spirit Plants - Discussion of sacred plants and other entheogens

Plant Matters => The Rain Forest => Topic started by: Zaka on September 27, 2010, 01:03:12 PM

Title: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on September 27, 2010, 01:03:12 PM
Irie,
OK so lets see how this grow-log goes.
What we have is four strains of Caapi seeds from AJ, in deepest darkest Peru!
All seeds will be treated the same. 48hrs soak in spring water with a few drops of peroxide....

White "Blancho"
[attachment=2:26r5rxe4]DSCN3192a.JPG[/attachment:26r5rxe4]
"Black"
[attachment=1:26r5rxe4]DSCN3196a.JPG[/attachment:26r5rxe4]
"Yellow"
[attachment=0:26r5rxe4]DSCN3201a.JPG[/attachment:26r5rxe4]

Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on September 27, 2010, 01:09:04 PM
Irie,
The fourth strain.
"Red"
[attachment=0:8p3w9oi7]DSCN3205a.JPG[/attachment:8p3w9oi7]

After the soak the seeds will be laid on a bed of vermiculite & tented in a ziplock.

Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on September 29, 2010, 11:42:23 AM
Irie,
The Black.
So soaked for 36-48hrs or until they sink.

[attachment=2:yv4hk9on]DSCN3248a.JPG[/attachment:yv4hk9on]

Shake'n'bake! Dusted them with rooting powder, mostly as a anti-fungicide.  

[attachment=1:yv4hk9on]DSCN3249a.JPG[/attachment:yv4hk9on]

Gently resting the seeds on a bed of verm & tenting...

[attachment=0:yv4hk9on]DSCN3252a.JPG[/attachment:yv4hk9on]

Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: catfish on October 04, 2010, 04:18:11 AM
hook me up!
looks like a good system to me
how did those c. edulis plants do for ya?
pm me bro
peace
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: kemp on October 05, 2010, 06:26:36 PM
Back on topic please. And "therealsanango", always keep forum type gripes/complaints to PMs in the appropriate forum. This place has nothing to do with Edot and never will. You are welcome to stick around here but lets leave the Edot talk out of threads. We have a long ugly history with them/him.
If the original members don't mind, I am thinking of deleting the past few posts as they have nothing to do with this thread. I guess I will leave it for Stonehenge, do what you wish with this one man. Given time, I would likely just delete them.

Enough said, thanks,

-Kemp
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on October 06, 2010, 09:15:53 AM
Irie,
The seeds are in the grow chamber, nothing happening yet!
Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Stonehenge on October 06, 2010, 05:08:31 PM
I tend toward live and let live when it gets to off topic stuff unless its getting negative or attacking someone. I will agree this was headed that way so i went ahead and zapped out the off topic stuff. I don't feel like any of you were trying to break rules or do anything bad. Often times mods and admin have to make decisions on borderline things. Lets try to stick to the topic at hand if we can.
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: therealsanango on October 06, 2010, 09:15:44 PM
is o.k lets keep on the topic forget about that, well zaka do you have any updates photos for those germinating seeds.
it would be nice to see how they come up.

namaste

Alberto
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: VajraPirate on October 07, 2010, 04:26:21 PM
Caapi eedusuallytakes somewhere from 7-16 days, soI'm thinking he is probably just beginning to see sprouts... or should be soon.
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on October 16, 2010, 08:43:33 AM
Irie,
This is the first to sprout;
"Yellow"
[attachment=1:2bf19h2g]DSCN3391a.JPG[/attachment:2bf19h2g]
[attachment=0:2bf19h2g]DSCN3398a.JPG[/attachment:2bf19h2g]

Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: therealsanango on October 25, 2010, 02:41:55 PM
Zaka, why the seeds are taking too long time to germinate? that's the only seed germinating from all the strains? here in the amazon floor it germinates in 10 days and in 20 days in a healthy plant.
maybe not using the proper soil, it has to be similar to the amazon soil, the place where you are growing your virolas look a very fertile soil.

namaste

Alberto
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on October 25, 2010, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: "therealsanango"
Zaka, why the seeds are taking too long time to germinate? that's the only seed germinating from all the strains? here in the amazon floor it germinates in 10 days and in 20 days in a healthy plant.
maybe not using the proper soil, it has to be similar to the amazon soil, the place where you are growing your virolas look a very fertile soil.

namaste

Alberto
Irie,
Well I don't check them too often, but peeked this morning and saw more sprouts, will post photos in a day or so!
The soil here is extra fertile, with our volcano just a couple of miles down the road!
Up-date soon!
Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on October 26, 2010, 10:47:22 AM
Irie,
Two on the Black.
[attachment=2:11kwy2zn]DSCN3461a.JPG[/attachment:11kwy2zn]
[attachment=1:11kwy2zn]DSCN3465a.JPG[/attachment:11kwy2zn]
[attachment=0:11kwy2zn]DSCN3466a.JPG[/attachment:11kwy2zn]
Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on November 20, 2010, 08:35:09 AM
Irie,
So had three in the White pop up last week;
[attachment=1:2f6k0qkz]DSCN3520a.JPG[/attachment:2f6k0qkz]
Then one on the Red this weekend. That'll be about 50 days since the soak!
[attachment=0:2f6k0qkz]DSCN3542a.JPG[/attachment:2f6k0qkz]
Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: AliceTepes on November 20, 2010, 09:34:56 AM
Zaka, what do you put under the seeds? is that some form of perilite? and do you just mist the seeds everyday or what? I am interested in your treatment of them because you have gotten such good results. I at one point had some Cappi seeds but could never get them to germ.
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on November 20, 2010, 09:58:56 AM
Quote from: "AliceTepes"
Zaka, what do you put under the seeds? is that some form of perilite? and do you just mist the seeds everyday or what? I am interested in your treatment of them because you have gotten such good results. I at one point had some Cappi seeds but could never get them to germ.
Irie Alice,
I've found that medium coarse vermiculite, (from the garden center) is the best.
I just damp the verm & tent in a ziplock.
I don't usually have to spray them very often, once a week at most, so long as the verm is damp, it should be cool.
Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on November 25, 2010, 03:14:58 PM
Irie,
Well got two more up on the black today.
That'll be 57 days since the soak!
Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on November 29, 2010, 02:57:33 PM
Irie,
Up-date.
The "Black"
[attachment=2:323vrbcc]DSCN3563a.JPG[/attachment:323vrbcc]
The "Yellow"
[attachment=1:323vrbcc]DSCN3570a.JPG[/attachment:323vrbcc]
The "White"
[attachment=0:323vrbcc]DSCN3574a.JPG[/attachment:323vrbcc]
Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: celestial on December 11, 2010, 10:00:05 PM
Did the rooting hormone do anything beneficial  like establishing your seedlings roots  or their viability? :baffled:
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on December 12, 2010, 01:00:33 PM
Quote from: "XandX-"
Did the rooting hormone do anything beneficial  like establishing your seedlings roots  or their viability? :baffled:
Irie X,
I don't know if it did assist???
My intentions for using it was for an anti-fungal properties. At which I think it did help!
Considering the way I treat the germination process! I haven't even bothered check any of the trays in the last 10 days!!!
Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on December 15, 2010, 09:30:31 AM
Irie,
Found another one up in the Black!
73 days since soak!
Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on December 23, 2010, 01:19:51 PM
Irie,
Another one on the black popped up today!
80 days since soak!
Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on December 27, 2010, 02:06:23 PM
Irie,
So I'll attempt to give a proper leaf description of each of the 4 types.
They seem to be quite distinct, the most similar being the "Red" & "White". The "Black" being the most impressive.
"Black"; Lanceolate, Acuminate
"Yellow; Oblanceolate,

"Red"; Cordate
[attachment=0:1810rvr0]DSCN3747a.JPG[/attachment:1810rvr0]
"White"; Cordate.....Has some interesting hairs that are very distinctive!
[attachment=2:1810rvr0]DSCN3738a.JPG[/attachment:1810rvr0][attachment=1:1810rvr0]DSCN3739a.JPG[/attachment:1810rvr0]
I'll post pics of each soon.
Respect
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on January 04, 2011, 03:50:30 PM
Irie,
Edit sorry i see the photos are the wrong way round!!
"Yellow; Oblanceolate,
[attachment=0:205fz3xs]<!-- ia0 -->DSCN3742a.JPG<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:205fz3xs]

"Black"; Lanceolate, Acuminate
[attachment=1:205fz3xs]<!-- ia1 -->DSCN3748a.JPG<!-- ia1 -->[/attachment:205fz3xs]

Respect,
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Ryparosa on January 15, 2011, 05:25:11 AM
The negro caapi looks excellent zaka!

And the hairy white caapi !

Ill be watching this thread with great interest to see how they progress :)
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on March 07, 2011, 10:31:06 AM
Irie,
Well checked the "Black" Caapi seeds this morning & was more than a little surprised to find two new germination's!!!!
[attachment=0:21e1i304]DSCN4418.JPG[/attachment:21e1i304]
So that will be 154days since the soak!
I'll keep the seeds going to see if any more turn up??
Respect,
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: gwalchgwyn on March 14, 2011, 12:12:44 PM
much appreciation Zaka for your continuing pictorial.  all your plants look healthy & appreciate your love.  I am curious about the outside conditions that they enjoy, like average humidity, night & day temperatures, and general latitude (tropical, sub-tropical, temperate).  thank you Zaka!
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on March 16, 2011, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: "gwalchgwyn"
much appreciation Zaka for your continuing pictorial.  all your plants look healthy & appreciate your love.  I am curious about the outside conditions that they enjoy, like average humidity, night & day temperatures, and general latitude (tropical, sub-tropical, temperate).  thank you Zaka!
Irie,
In short "Tropical paradise"! Always 78-84dergees. Yeah & well humid! lat 14n

So checked out the white today & found 4 sprouts!
That's 163 days from soak!
[attachment=0:17nfrkjb]DSCN4493.JPG[/attachment:17nfrkjb]
Respect,
Z
UPDATE; Found another one on the "Black" sprout today! 164 days from soak!
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on March 19, 2011, 03:02:29 PM
Irie,
Got this in the latest set of "white" to sprout!
[attachment=0:1i10cssw]DSCN4527.JPG[/attachment:1i10cssw]
Respect,
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on March 24, 2011, 11:52:08 AM
Irie,
Well I'm still surprised to see them still popping up!
Two more today. One on the "Black" & one on the "White".
Now 172days since soak.
Respect,
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on April 01, 2011, 09:59:01 AM
Irie,
Still popping!
One Black, One White & one Red!
180 days........
To be continued!!!
Respect,
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on April 04, 2011, 10:22:12 AM
Irie,
One on the Yellow & one on the Red....
184 days.....
Respect,
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Stonehenge on April 04, 2011, 01:35:43 PM
Keep 'em going zaka.
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on April 05, 2011, 11:55:15 AM
Irie,
So here's the tray of seedlings.....I really got to find some space to put them down....
[attachment=2:h15137sm]CAM_0084.JPG[/attachment:h15137sm]
The "white & Red" strains seem to be susceptible to spidermite....
[attachment=1:h15137sm]CAM_0085.JPG[/attachment:h15137sm]
This is a couple of "white" that I'm setting up on a trellis in full sun!
[attachment=0:h15137sm]CAM_0087.JPG[/attachment:h15137sm]
No sprout today!!
Respect,
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on April 16, 2011, 01:29:22 PM
Irie,
One on the Black, popping still!!
196 days....
Who'd have thought it???
Respect,
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: gwalchgwyn on April 18, 2011, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: "Zaka"
Irie,
So here's the tray of seedlings.....I really got to find some space to put them down....
Respect,

Maybe Johnny Appleseedling some  8)  in a local park for futures to
discover in awe!
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on April 18, 2011, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: "gwalchgwyn"
Quote from: "Zaka"
Irie,
So here's the tray of seedlings.....I really got to find some space to put them down....
Respect,

Maybe Johnny Appleseedling some  8)  in a local park for futures to
discover in awe!
Irie,
"Local Parks" :lol:
Round here it's pick a jungle covered mountain!! 8)
I've started spreading out anyways, utilizing the neighboring lot..clearing off several fruit trees for the purpose....
Got some much cielo strain  :shock:
I trimmed off a kg of vine sections (& about 4kg of leaf) and they don't look like they have been touched!! :roll:
Respect,
Z  
BTW one again on the black....198 days......my question is when is it going to end???? :tea:
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on April 19, 2011, 12:54:13 PM
Irie,
Some photo's.
The Black seems to send out a lower shoot that is becoming the climber....
[attachment=1:2nc9p8pz]<!-- ia1 -->CAM_0233.JPG<!-- ia1 -->[/attachment:2nc9p8pz]
The white starting to stretch.....
[attachment=0:2nc9p8pz]<!-- ia0 -->CAM_0234.JPG<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:2nc9p8pz]

[attachment=2:2nc9p8pz]<!-- ia2 -->CAM_0228.JPG<!-- ia2 -->[/attachment:2nc9p8pz]
Respect,
Z
Edited cos a year later I see the description was the wrong way round! My bad sorry! :-\
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on April 21, 2011, 03:32:38 PM
Irie,
Another on the Red....200 days.....
I think it's enough to say that given the right conditions, the seeds can take quite some time!
Caapi seeds should be treated with serious patience!
Now I hardly sprayed or watered them since the initial complete soaking of the verm.
Opened the bags maybe once a week or two, unless I saw a green sprout.....
Sprouts were then transferred to small pots of well draining soil. Watered completely.
I'm a big fan of letting the soil dry pretty much completely, before re-watering.
This encourages more root growth....as they search for the receding water.
I'll leave the germ trays there but I'm fairly sure they're done???
I'll up-date if there is any more.....
Respect,
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on March 02, 2012, 08:08:35 PM
Irie,
Up-date on the "White"(?)....
Now flowering.....
Suspected Stigmaphyllon sp.
Respect,
Z
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Stonehenge on March 04, 2012, 03:28:39 PM
Looks like caapi flowers except for the color. Probably closely related.
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: dendro on March 18, 2012, 07:07:00 PM
Zaka, the plants you are calling "white" on this thread, look just like the seeds Alphonso sent me labeled "boayahuasca". The young leaves have that same reddish pink color. Does this make any sense in any known universe?
Title: Re: Caapi 4 strains from Seed
Post by: Zaka on April 13, 2012, 07:12:04 PM
Irie,
This is the yellow starting to stretch....1st photo
& The ALICIA sp....Next 2
Respect,
Z