Guess I'll have to put climb into the boat with the the ig-nerts.

lw

Yeah, it's not for everyone. People who are energy-sensitive tend to be more impressed.
Cannabis can help with that, i've heard, but i haven't tried it, of course.

Irie AT,
Just wondering if you have journeyed with Ayahusca or Mimoruehusca?
I've found it can help with negative Spirits and identifying spells,which can then be battled in the spirit realm.
Would like to hear more about your spirit battles.
Respect
Z

Funny, that. I've always considered myself fairly sensitive to subtle energies. Quartz crystals became important to me many years back...... When I play music with some people, I can feel a physical connection between us under most circumstances. (Unless one of us is wearing a hat.)

This is something else entirely, imo.

lw

Well, I'm sure it's all in the interpretation somehow. I'm continually amazed at how elaborate and detailed a universe a person can envision. Just how much of it is sensetivity or construct, I've only my personal experience and the collective consciousness I've exposed myself to, to draw on. That being said, it all seems a little elaborate, not that something possative could not be taken from it. Lots of brilliant and creative people swim over to the deep end of the pool...... it's just a long swim back if you catch my drift.

Irie Ave,
Love this quote.


My drift;
Reality is not only the three foot deep, kiddies end of the pool, where it's easy to see the bottom.
The pool is a hundred meters long, the deep end is 14 feet deep, some folks like to dive down to the bottom, to try and see what's there.
You're still in the pool!
It all real, but some, that don't go to the deep end, will only ever experience of the kiddies end & tales, stories & myths, will keep them from going down to the deep end of the pool.
If you catch my drift.

Respect
Z

Bring something back from the deep end of the pool for the rest of us to see, please. Elaborate constructs and bizarre proclamations that can in NO WAY be proven to us, uh, less sensitive folk isn't going to cut the reality mustard. At least not for me.

lw

And not to rain on anyone's unicorn parade, but when I go to the deep end of the pool to experience collective consciousness, as I'm prone to do on occasion, "good vs evil" is one of the human constructs I've discovered to be illusion. The world, in my reality construct, is a battery that needs both positive and negative poles to function properly. Attempting to eradicate that negative charge is not only futile, but shows a lack of understanding of the true nature of the universe, imo.

lw

The topic of "spiritual warfare" hit s pretty close to home these daze on the prairie. A local kid from a small town is currently on trial for murdering his high school football coach. (The kid graduated from high school five or six years ago.) For many reasons, not many of which make much sense to me, the kid decided the coach was evil and harming and killing children and so he up and murdered the guy one morning in the high school weight room where the coach was holding voluntary summer work outs for local athletes. Killed him dead. Told the kids he was protecting them and then blam. Now a well respected and award winning educator as well as community leader and roll model to local kids (quite a few of his former players are now competing in the NFL and to a man, they attribute their work ethic and subsequent success at the highest level of their sport to the coach in question)

But the guy is dead because a delusional individual carried his beliefs of spiritual warfare into the real world. A man is dead because another person was incapable of realizing that the war he fought was being waged solely in his head all along. The spiritual struggle above is really one man's struggle with his inner demons, imo. The danger lies at the point that one decides to take the inner spiritual struggle to the physical plane and then assign blame and subsequent judgement and administer punishment.

From reading at Commander Loohan's/Arkie T's site, I get the impression that he considers himself judge/jury and executioner of all he deems "evil" on the astral plane.

Through my travels in the collective consciousness, I've come to be suspect of those who fantasize about performing murder (even under the guise of war) on the astral plane. War is war, imo. And when the borders between fantasy and reality become blurred as they did for Mark Becker last year, innocent people can lose their lives.

lw

What a tragic end to an inspirational human being. (one idiot with a delusion can wipe out so much good - again)

appreciate you bringing this to this discussion, LW. A welcome drop of sanity in a whirlpool of insanity.

Thanks, judih....

Here's a link to the story above and an excerpt from an interview conducted with the "accused" shortly after the murder in question...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/highscho ... id=4919344

In the interview, Becker spoke in a monotone about why he had wanted to kill Thomas, the 2005 NFL High School Coach of the Year who led efforts to rebuild Parkersburg after a huge tornado wiped out about one-third of the town and killed six people in 2008.

"He's a devil, he's a devil tyrant, he's suppressing the kids out here," Becker said of Thomas on the recording. "We can hardly breathe at night. He comes through and he turns us into fish and he turns us into animals and he turns us into dead people. He won't let us be our heavenly selves. He's been doing it forever."

Becker said that after the shooting he told the students present that they were free. Six students who witnessed the shooting have already testified.

"You go in there and kick him if you want to, but you're free. I said, 'Be free,' Becker exclaimed. "It's done, it's done, it's over."

During the interview, Becker told Callaway that he saw the devil, "a horned beast," in the room with them.
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After doing some reading at Commander Loohan's site, I see a connection between the way Mark Becker views the world and the way Loohan does. The main difference, (imo,) is the manner in which they have chosen to deal with their personal delusions. While both have transferred their delusions to the physical plane, assigned blame to specific individuals and remain convinced that action is needed to stop the rise of evil, one crossed the line from personal fantasy to murder. And for that reason, I see no reason to ignore, mollify or coddle this 10 ton elephant that wondered into the room.

lw

Irie,
Well, as I suspected......

It's amazing that it always seems to be a common factor in these type of cases.
Respect
Z

Right on, zaka. A person HAS to be sick in the head to perform the crime above, imo.

However, another connection I see is that in each case an (admittedly sick) person externalizes their inner turmoil, placing unwarranted blame on others for provoking their illness and taking physical action against those they had previously only fantasized about being evil.

lw

Btw, zaka... Mental illness isn't always so cut and dry. Generally, if a person appears to be of no danger of doing harm to himself or others around him, some delusion behavior is tolerated.There exists a continuum of human activities and beliefs that allows for a certain amount of eccentric behavior, imo. Often folks are only tagged with labels like paranoid schizophrenic AFTER performing acts of violence that draw the attention of health care professionals involuntarily to the subject in question.

lw

Irie,
So you don't think it has anything to do with taking problematic child and sticking them on psychotropics, as I heard 50% of USA kids are now on, that warp their minds further.......
I think there has been one or two incidences like this? Collenbine?
I'm suspicious of these drugs, there seems to be more to it!
Respect
Z