Too bad Raver isn't here any more. If I remember correctly, he had a penchant for solenacae at one point in his distinguished career.

I knew a few kids who got together and made a big pot of datura tea using roots, leaves, and seeds. After a few draughts, they went completely insane for more than a week, and they're still "not right". One of them reported to me that at a point in his trip he experienced a feminine entity demanding to know why he came, and when he didn't have an answer she became very disgusted with him. He also mentioned visiting his dead grandfather while his body wandered down the highway and into traffic (he wasn't hit). All of them have suffered subsequent mental illness and rather severe methamphetamine abuse, forcing me to sever my associations with them.

I suggest you print out this thread and show it to your friends, tell them you understand them and respect them but that it's in their own best interest to find other sources of amusement than preparing datura brews, 'cos it sure isn't fun afterwards (or so I hear).

Datura isn't all bad, though, I've heard it's good for asthma if smoked.
You'll want to check that out first before you try, though.

One should not make a tea, only start by smoking leaves and flowers. Some are allowed to experience this plant some are naught(sic). YMMV

Jeez, one of the friends of mine that actually wants to try it has asthma....I will do my best to keep them from trying it in the most repectfull ways possible. If however they decide to go against my wishes I will destroy/dump out the method they choose to consume it (if i'm around). I wish I would have never been curiously browsing the vaults of Erowid.....

P.S. I'm not really to sure what this means or how the smoked experiance differs from the ingested....if you would ellaborate it would be much appreciated thanks.


-Matt

well...
smoking dhatra herbage is (as with the smoking of tabac) prolly not very ummmm "efficient" as much of the alkaloid is destroyed during combustion...
that said, the alkaloids which do survive burning are well absorbed through the lungs (tho' there may be an optimum pH, one supposes)...

since the "drug" in the smoke is well absorbed (compare the "onset" time for pot ---> smokin' a joint vs. eatin' a brownie), you can notice the intoxication as it develops behind each "toke" & sorta titrate yr level as you go along (& you sorta gonna hafta quit when you can't figure out how to work yr lighter any more)...
drinking a tea (from leaf, flower, sed, or root) of "jimpson weed, or eating some of it, or even smearing your body with "flying ointment" --- well, it takes quite a while to come on, and you prolly don't know for sure if that first dose was enough for one person, or for ten... and if'n ya get impatient & take more ("hey man, i don't feel anything yet; let's drink the rest of the teapot..." ---> let's just sat that it's usually a VERY VERY bad idea, mmmm?)

~

me, i sorta want this CNS to last for at least "three score and ten" years, & if ya start really playing with datura (especially if you haven't a clue) - well let's just say that i try to be cautious when messing with poisons...
i mean, i may have some "poisons" in my collection, but jus' dam' careful, mmmmkay?

~

ymmv...

When I was a kid they sold Asthmadore(sp?) prolly OTC. It was in a tin like Nestles Quick and was meant to be rolled and smoked. It was made from belladonna I believe, the archtype of this plant group.

Ingesting several large gel caps of it would bring on delerium and hallucinations. One friend took it at school, was sent to the principals office, asked for an ashtray and put out his thumb!

He was luckier than some, he just ended up in Juvinal Hall, quite a few others ended up in the hospital. My smallish dose had my fucked up for a couple days. I found nothing enjoyable about it at all.

So the onset is much faster with Datura and the effects are pretty much the same it sounds....is it deadly smoked like it is when consumed? Also do you know if it still causes permenent brain alteration when smoked....sorry for all the questions, but I like to know a lot about drugs for some reason, it just intrigues me.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/08 ... lower.html

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib ... imson.html

http://www.channel3000.com/news/1700361/detail.html

You know, if these reports are trying to scare people from using daura species, they should be saying things like:

"The Ohio teens, most of them boys, used one called Datura inoxia, which has effects similar to marijuana."

That's funny. I've never heard the effects of the Solanaceae compared to marijuana before...

Thats a Brugmansia versicolor or hybrid thereof. It won't set seed unless you have different cultivar next to it or hand pollinate it with a different cultivar.

I happened across this old thread and thought I'd add this pic of Asthmador ciggs label-

I'm not quite up to snuff on my alkaloid effectiveness but this reminds me of the old coca cola/cocaine ads.

Yeah, some of that old patent medicine was truly whacky. They had stuff with lead and mercury in it. That's a nifty looking label, kemp. I bet it's worth something to a collector.

Yeah it is a nifty label... I only wish it was mine.

I guess I didn't make it clear, I stole/acquired the pic not long ago (somewhere on the web) and just thought I'd add something to this thread

That's cool, it is a nifty label. Anything put out on the web is fair game, isn't it? I think copyright law has gotten out of hand in a few areas. People want to have a lock on everything. People try to copyright the alphabet every year. They call it the "mickey mouse law", every few years Disney inc lobbies successfully and has the copyright law extended even further