Sorry Stone, and thanks.

Teotzlcoatl, no worries. I didn't think any offence was intended and certainly no offence was taken.

No certainly no offense was intented.

The boys over in Oz say Diplopterys flowers tho-http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17158&pid=192154&st=50&#entry192154

Here's what I just posted on the aussie forum:

to clear this up... I have never written that I have seen chaliponga in flower, because I haven't. I've been growing it for 10 years and have huge plants. They love very damp earth but will also grow in full sun with only rain, but the vines get very brittle and it doesn't grow very quickly. From one cutting in the ground, it sends out shoots and these too begin growing quickly. the original mother plant of chali was brought to Iquitos by the curandera Adela. She got it from the Huambisa tribe near the border of Ecuador about 40 years ago, so most all the chaliponga (huambisa) growing in Loreto have come from this Mother plant. Adela has also never seen it in flower.

Well there ya go... Just like the "P.C." "BlackBerg" pachanoi can't cross with itself, neither can this Diplopterys, because its genetically the same.

At least... that's my guess!

the curandero Percy Garcia is here in the office with me now and he's been working with chali since he was 11, has his own plants, and he also has never seen it in flower.
when we want plants to flower here in the jungle, we simply put new rich soil piled up around the base of the plant. I've tried that with chali but didn't work. Perhaps some of the people in other countries are correct, I'd love to know that it flowers, seems it would have to..

Hmm... what the hell is going on here?

I think we know so little about Diplopterys... I bet its some kind of non-flowering DMT Caapi! Might not even be Diplopterys!

I could totally see some strains of Caapi having DMT-like compounds in them! I think Diplopterys IS actually a kind of Caapi.

Well, you're not the only one to have thought that. You realize that when it was first given it's nomenclature, it was called "banisteropsis rusbyana". that held for years... and sometime around 20 years? ago someone recognized that it had been mis-classified and so it because dip.cabrerana....
Certainly looks like a caapi to me and most people couldn't tell the difference when looking at the leaves side by side...

Digging up and old thread.

Teotzlcoatl:
Saying "strain of caapi" is confusing. You think this species is actually Banisteriopsis caapi? I doubt it. From the few pictures I have seen its certainly different. Where you call something a strain or a new species is an entirely human obsession

Banisteriopsis muricata is said to contain DMT in the leaves and stems. I recall that it was used to divine illnesses but I'm unable to find the article anymore.

more interesting Banisteriopsis species

Anyone know if the genus Diplopterys has any other members used as admixtures?

Sorry, I meant that it might be Banisteriopsis, not Caapi.

Well again, orginally it was placed in the Banisteriopsis genus. Why it was changed or placed there in the first place I don't know. JSTOR probably has that, but I no longer have a password.

It certainly has a different alkaloid profile, and while nomenclature is fun and useful and all that jazz, alkaloids are my main concern..and preservation

your right about getting cuttings going around