To tell you how dried cactus chips are used in a bonafide religious cermony would put some innocent and deeply commited spiritual peole at great risk - so I will not.

But heres a suggestion - why don't we all just order as many dried cactus chips as we can. Use them respectfully and only in religious context. When we get busted we force the issue to court. Maybe we'll win, maybe lose - but who cares the only people who would loose out in the long run are the stupid cactus collectors? Small sacrific for the greater good potential enlightenment of the many I'd say.

LOL Sounds like a plan, tstt.

However, I don't see all the cactus collectors losing out. I know plenty of collectors who have never felt the false sense of security that comes with tight rope walking over the law. Those folks will probable change their course of action very little.

I do find it interesting that some people behind this thread have profited from the sale of cactus solely due to mescaline content. And others have profited by providing detailed information in book form concerning the alkaloidal content of said plants. Some have done both.

As most here have prolly never bought or sold pedro chips, nor profited from the sale of mescaline containing plants, I'm afraid you elitists are barking up the wrong tree.

Fucking hypocrites......

lw

Hummmmm.

So what your saying is that you are going to feed the cycle
by adding fuel and pushing harder for actual illegality?

Say...do those chips come in Cool Ranch?

LW you are no better or well informed than any here, and no less of a hypocrite.

As for this


Who do you think is behind this thread? You don't know what you are talking about.

Right, I so believe this, mentioning that they are used puts people in danger? This is ridiculous. There are a few San Pedro using religious groups in the USA and they grow their own plants, that are stronger than any dried material you can buy. You have no clue here, sharing how they are used puts nobody in danger, you would have to mention personal information to do so. Nice bluff, but if it looks like BS and smells like BS, then it is probably BS.

Oh.

What about White Cheddar?

EA "Right, I so believe this..."

Yea, you believe what you want to believe that is for sure.

Oh, we have captured LW and placed him in a psychedelic bubble 9758 feet high. He has activated his personal ignore switch in the control panel. Please talk amonst yourselves.

I`m thinking white cheddar.

This was a circus coming in,and now it hopfully soon,it will fold it`s tents and leave,muddy ground / animal dung /an` used condoms behind. Well personally, the construct i never respected anyway,so no loss. Well yes, personal opinion...

Now it`s Lw simply facing off two individuals in a three sided matchup., more or less. Two camps..three camps,they all have been defined..right? To a 'T',I would think. So...what now?

How much more do we have to hear ,Flip?This is like a washing machine stuck in 'spin'. You have presented your cause...long ago. It`s gone from something fresh,if disliked by some parties( well..me),to beaten to death,and that a long 72 hours ago in a hot sun . As for the rest,well for me anyways it`s devolving to loyalties, and personally speaking, ,I saw it as Lw does anyways,on the generalities. Course,thats jus me. An mabe some see it otherwise,and it goes on and on and on....

Any reason to drag it out futher?

IMO,this thread was a negative in the first place,but lets say not. Everything worthwhile has been presented. If attacking a particular personality now becomes it`s only goal,i simply will stand up for a friend. So will others.

I think this thread has gone bye bye.,and is in danger of going overboard.

I appreciate your post CJ, but are you saying that if LW attacks someone then you will just gang up with him and attack that person too?

I don't think any person here is better than any other.

Mentioning sacramental ceremonial use does not threaten individuals or organizations if you don't include personal or specific information that can threaten them.

CJ, I hear what you're saying as well.

I think that it's all boiled down to
opposing points are done and long gone.
If they even had any, other than a kneejerk "don't tell me what to do..."

It's moved from being a statement and advocacy,
To a discussion,
Down into some people belching out hollow positions and personal attacks

What's Left?
Ganging up against the "other side" and hard feelings "just because...xyz"?

I didn't come here for that.
and I shouldn't have gotten sucked into it.

Both my own, and others energy on this issue is better spent elsewhere
Besides, the only real reason to continue would be IF they're
involved in the enthno-botanicals trade and profited from sold chips.
and we're not allowed to go there... even if they were.

Thank you to everyone who's read this thread from start to finish.
and thank you EA, Amomynous and others for both your positive insights and support over this concern.

Sincerely,
flip.

OK, then. White Cheddar it is.

Why do you make a call for peace
and then turn around and antagonize me?

Please re read my post again.
This thread was positive, about the saving,
retaining and conservation of certain valuable plants
Not about careless destruction or ego's.

Why speak of ending this and then throw stones?

Are you referring to my mild-mannered, good-humored, non sequitur-ish attempts to lighten up the tone of this thread?

Those were't meant as "stones" or provocations, flip: sorry if they struck you that way.

Peace is good. Let's hold onto some.

Agreed.

I will admit that I'm very serious about this issue
and that it was taken the wrong way then...
Perhaps using a " " would have helped.

OK!



No ill will here, flip.

For what its worth, rest assured I have not--and would not on a bet--order cacti chips. I prefer living relationships with my allies, and I think that goes for 99% of the folks around here.