Can she come back? At the very least, her mantle of invincibility has been taken away. She came in not just second but third to Obama and Edwards. If Hill keeps losing people will wonder if she should drop out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7171057.stm

What do the Iowa results mean?
Mike Huckabee and Barack Obama
US presidential hopefuls are digesting the outcome of the first contest of the 2008 election race.

It was celebrations for Mike Huckabee and Barack Obama, who won the Republican and Democratic nominations respectively, as voters in Iowa turned out in force to make their selection.

The Iowa caucuses can give big boosts to candidates' campaigns in the long haul to reach the White House.

Which factors contributed to the success of Mr Obama and Mr Huckabee?

This seems to reflect Mr Obama's success in reaching out to first-time caucus-goers and independents.

Many voters under 25 turned to him and he also outpolled his main rival Hillary Clinton among women.

Who were the biggest losers?

Without doubt the most glaring loss was for Senator Clinton, long considered the Democratic frontrunner and who once enjoyed a significant lead in the Iowa polls.

I caucused for Obama last night. We really liked the speech he gave after the fact.

Hillary got stomped worse than the numbers appear, imo. In our precinct, Obama had 88 or so supporters. Hillary had maybe 50. Edwards about the same. Richardson was also viable in our precinct, but apparently in few others.

lw

The media seems to like Hillary, that's her main asset besides Bill. Can the media save her? A telling fact is that Obama did slightly better among females than Hill. That was supposed to be the strong suit of Hill-Billy. Women were supposed to vote for her because she was female. That was good enough for the media but not for the voters.

And what's with all this "experience" she claims? Being in the white house is not presidential experience. Or if it is then the maids and floor sweepers have experience too. Maybe they will run for office.

It looks like she is getting desperate. You can expect her to go all out on the attack now. If she loses in the next primary, that could be it. Obama just has to ignore her taunts and do what he's been doing. Losing to Obama is one thing but losing to Eduards makes her look like nothing. One more loss and we can forget about the biatch.

She should be getting desperate. Iowa has one of the oldest populations in the union. Old ladies are her biggest supporters and older men. (At least that's what I saw at our caucus.)

Iowa lacks young people to boot. Our population is skewing way old these days.

Anyway, I'm guessing Obama will clean up in states with younger demographics, as the youngsters came out of the woodwork to give their support here in Ioway.

lw

Well, it appears Obama is going to stomp Hillary in NH, too. I'm not sure how long the national media can hold her up as the front runner when the people are saying otherwise.

news link

Election 2008: New Hampshire Democratic Primary
New Hampshire: Obama 39% Clinton 27%
Sunday, January 06, 2008

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in New Hampshire shows Barack Obama earning 39% of the vote while Hillary Clinton attracts 27%. The survey was conducted on Friday night and Saturday afternoon. All interviews were conducted after the Iowa caucuses and before last night’s debate.

Rasmussen Reports will continue to poll in New Hampshire each day until the Primary and report results on a two-day rolling average basis. The two-day results shows that Obama has picked up two percentage points since yesterday’s release while Clinton’s support is unchanged.
The current poll shows John Edwards with 18%, Bill Richardson with 8%, and Dennis Kucinich with 3% support.

Nationally, Clinton still leads in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll. However, Rasmussen Markets data now shows that Obama is narrowly favored to win the nomination. In New Hampshire’s Republican race, John McCain holds a narrow lead over Mitt Romney.

Eighty-eight percent (88%) of Primary Voters say they would be at least somewhat likely to vote for Barack Obama if he is nominated. An identical number, 88%, say the same about John Edwards. Just 80% would consider voting for Hillary Clinton if she is nominated. Those figures reflect a bit more unity than is found among Republicans. John McCain is the only
GOP candidate to top the 80% mark on this question.

Obama is seen as the most electable Democratic candidate. Eighty-seven percent (87%) believe he would be at least somewhat likely to win if nominated. Seventy-six percent (76%) say the same about Clinton and 75% think Edwards would have a chance. Fifty-one percent (51%) of the Likely Democratic Primary Voters believe Obama would be Very Likely to win. Just 38% have such confidence in Clinton.

Yesterday’s release also showed that Obama is viewed more a bit more favorably than the other leading candidates.

Rasmussen Markets data suggests that Barack Obama is currently favored to win in New Hampshire. Current prices imply that Obama has a 80.0 % chance of winning while Clinton has a 22.6 % chance. Numbers in this paragraph reflect results from a prediction market, not a poll.

RasmussenMarkets.com is a “futures market” that harnesses competitive passions to becomes a reliable leading indicator of upcoming events. Using a trading format where traders "buy and sell" candidates, issues, and news features, the markets correctly projected both Obama and Huckabee as the winners in Iowa.

The media is nothing if not stubborn. They will beat the drum of the "comeback kid" baloney and remind us 100 times that Bill lost an early primary and still won. It's the same thing in the local media as the national. They give a free pass to female politicians unless they are caught in a red handed murder. They also favor blacks but for some reason they like Hill over Obama. It may be because Obama is not in the Jesse Jackson/ Al sharpton mold of whiners and dirtbag opportunists.

If Hill gets beaten in NH, the tide will definitely have turned, at least in the minds of voters. Many see it that way now but a win for the bitch in NH would keep her alive. If she loses tuesday, not even the unflagging support of the media can keep her afloat. I would take Obama over any republican except possibly Paul and it doesn't look like he will get the nod. I use to like McCain but he showed he's a sellout and a war hawk.

With Hill-Billy as the demo candidate, I was going to go third party. This may change things. If Obama turns out to be a sellout too, then I'll never vote demo again.

I decided to support Barack Obama after his speech upon winning the Iowa caucuses. And when Hillary vowed to chase the youth vote in New Hampshire, as though she will do whatever it takes. Whatever.

I remember the excitement when Bill Clinton in 1992 was running for president. Hope. That's what Obama offers. That's what we need the most. Whatever comes, at least he's offering something more than cynical political triangulation.

I think we can overcome the corporate media, they have no basic beliefs in anything but "if it bleeds, it leads." We'll see....but yah, hope, it's nice to feel right now...

Hillbilly got stomped again. She wiggled back from her last stomping by doing the boo-hoo routine. Then got a so called victory in Nevada but lost the delegate count to Obama. This time she got stomped pure and simple. No amount of boohoos or Billy
as attack dog will bring her back. Ding dong the witch is dead! Put a stake through her heart. If you can find it.

Obama wins landslide victory in South Carolina

Updated Sat. Jan. 26 2008 10:16 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Barack Obama won the South Carolina Democratic primary by a landslide. Hillary Clinton placed a distant second, with John Edwards coming in third.

With nearly all of the precincts reporting late Saturday night, Obama had 55 per cent of the vote, Clinton had 27 per cent, and Edwards was in third with 18 per cent of the vote.

With the crowd chanting, "Yes, we can," Obama addressed his supporters during a victory speech. He told them that what began with his win in Iowa earlier this month continued with his success in South Carolina victory. He highlighted his desire to bring change to the status quo in Washington, and noted that the U.S. is ready for a new type of politics.

The witch might be dead in South Carolina, but she still leads the delegate race. Of course, some of those delegates were earned in michigan where she was the only major candidate on the ballot.

lw

Michigan had their delegates stripped because they moved their primary up in the calendar. Check here for confirmation:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primar ... ates/#1746

The full delegate count for all candidates is at:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/

Ya know what I think is so tawdry, so sad??? All of the little clips you see on the news about the different state races always show interviews where they ask the voters the "who" and "why" question..... Time after time, it seems to boil down to black voters of both sexes siding with Obama, and then 'ya have white women siding with Hillary.... I mean, sure, it's high time in history to elect either a woman of a person of color to the office of Pres, but I can't help but cringe at the racist/sexist reasoning behind so manner of the voters.... Sure seems like we haven't evolved much in the years since suffrage or the civil rights act eh???? ---------sal

I'm with you, sal.

As far as Hillary goes, in Iowa it was older white women who caucused for her. (Obama did real well with the younger white women.)

lw

Someone has to put a stake through her heart so the two headed beast can't come back to life. As iffy as Obama seems, he has to be better than a died in the wool big-government socialist like the bitch.

We are back to the lesser of the evils game. But, since Obama is not proven evil, there is a tiny chance for improvement.

Why is obama "iffy?"

lw

Because he waffled on Iraq as well as on other things. He was against the war and then voted to continue it. I guess he figures he has to go along to get along. He says now he will keep some troops in Iraq indefinitely, just like Hillbilly. He keeps talking about change but I have not heard many specifics that I like. I'd rather see him than Hillbilly but so what.